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Raleigh's Trailblazers

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Seventy years after the Supreme Court's landmark ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, we find ourselves at a pivotal moment: How far have we truly come? While our schools today are more diverse than ever, recent studies reveal a harsh reality—they're still deeply segregated.
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Educational equity is not just an ideal; it's both an outcome and an action that we've made real progress on before. And today, as in the past, those victories are never foregone conclusions; it takes ordinary people who take extraordinary measures to see that all of us live up to the values we say we’re about. 

In this episode, we sit down with some of Raleigh's Trailblazers whose stories of resilience and advocacy offer both inspiration and direction for our ongoing efforts to dismantle the predictability of racialized outcomes in our schools.
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Special thanks to Joe Holt Jr, Gloria Hunter, Deborah Holt Noel, Larry Manuel, Sarah Thuesen, Paul Pope, Briana Pelton, Ainsley Powell, Cheryl Crooms Williams, The City of Raleigh Museum, The Historic Turner House Foundation, and The Friends of Oberlin Village. Music is provided by Blue Dot Sessions. The theme song, "Mirrors," is by Joseph McDade.
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Michael Parker West & Joe Holt Jr.
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​Profound Ladies Series - Keiyonna Dubashi with Dr. Ronda Taylor Bullock of We Are

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Join host Keiyonna Dubashi as she sits down with Dr. Ronda Taylor Bullock of We Are (Working to Extend Anti-Racist Education) and how she is thinking about what it will take to move our institutions in North Carolina toward more anti-racist outcomes, particularly in our schools. ​
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Keiyonna Dubashi
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Dr. Ronda Taylor Bullock

Profound Ladies Series - Keiyonna Dubashi with Dr. Jerry Wilson of CREED

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We’re doing something a little different for the next couple episodes. I’ll be stepping aside while my friend Keiyonna Dubashi, founder of Profound Ladies, temporarily hosts the podcast and shares some conversations from the Profound Ladies Equity Pledge series that took place last spring. Profound Ladies is dedicated to recruiting and retaining Black and Indigenous Women of Color and equipping them with the mentorship, leadership, and career development pathways necessary for them to succeed, grow, and thrive. Prior to the Brown V. Board, 35-50% of teachers — and an equivalent percentage of principals — were Black, particularly in the south.  Today, that number is only about 6% nationwide.  Organizations like Profound Ladies have set out to change that. 
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Keiyonna Dubashi
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Dr. Jerry Wilson

Episode 8: Identity Affirming Classrooms

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All instruction is culturally responsive. The question is: to whose culture is it responsive? The idea that public schools should focus on nothing but "the basics" of reading, writing, and arithmetic is not only wrong morally, but it's wrong scientifically too, because the research is crystal-clear: feeling seen, safe, and affirmed in the classroom is literally a prerequisite for learning anything else. In this episode, Bria Wright joins as co-host and we dive into identity and how we can tap into our own as well as those of our students to become more culturally and community-responsive in our practice. Special guest Dr. Erica Buchanan-Rivera, author of the book Identity Affirming Classrooms: Spaces That Center Humanity joins to ground our conversation in the research and also her personal experience as an educator and director of equity for Washington Township Schools, a district on the outskirts of Indianapolis, Indiana. Thanks also to Dr. Jeff Duncan Andrade and Dr. Fabienne Ducet for contributing as well.

Music provided by Blue Dot Sessions, the theme song Mirrors is by Joseph McDade.
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Episode 7: Asian Americans & #NCed

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Asian Americans have long occupied a precarious position in American society; they are just as likely to be valorized as the so-called "model minority" as they are ostracized and seen as perpetual foreigners. During this episode, we take a deep dive into how we got here, and provide perspectives on ways teachers need to see, understand, and interrupt anti-asian stereotypes. We'll  hear from local Asian American students, parents, and educators at Hortons Creek Elementary in NC to get their perspective on how schools can and should become more culturally and community responsive in order to better serve all students and families who are part of our community. 
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Guests include:
Dr. Sandy Chambers - Principal at Hortons Creek Elementary
Supriya Vasudevan - 3rd Grade Teacher at Hortons Creek Elementary
Suruchika Bhatia - Lead IA at Hortons Creek Elementary
Nicki Lee - Counselor at Hortons Creek Elementary
Aravand - High School Student 
Navam - Middle School Student
Dr. Nicholas Hartlep - Chair of the Department of Education Studies at Berea College, creator of the Model Minority Stereotype Project 
Dr. Chris Suh - Assistant Professor of History at Emory University 
Soukprida Phetmisy - National Senior Managing Director, Asian American & Pacific Islander Community Alliances at Teach for America 
Jimmy Patel-Nguyen - Communications Director, North Carolina Asian Americans Together (NCAAT)
Ricky Leung - Co-founder of NCAAT and Program Director at NCAAT in Action

Music provided by Blue Dot Sessions. The theme song "Mirrors" is by Joseph McDade. ​

Episode 6: Washington School (Part 2: Legacies)

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The Washington School is likely the oldest continually-operating public school in the city of Raleigh, since we can trace its beginnings all the way back to the 1860s. During Part 1, we learned about the school's origins and the critical community organizing that took place in order to establish Raleigh's first Black High School in 1923. Today, Washington is a Gifted and Talented Magnet Elementary School and the children and staff that fill its classrooms today look different than they did nearly a hundred years ago. 

Join Dr. Chaunte Garrett and Michael Parker West as they dive into the legacies of this important community landmark and confront some important questions that get at the heart of modern magnet schools and the larger unified Wake County Public School System. 

Resources & References 
  • Voices of Washington Project 
  • Research & Resource: Raleigh Black History - Carmen Cauthen's Website 
  • Document: Catalogue of the Washington School 1875-76 ​
  • Podcast: Nice White Parents - A Podcast from the NY Times​
  • Documentary Film: Lessons of Hayti ​
  • Book: Greater than Equal African American Struggles for Schools and Citizenship in North Carolina, 1919-1965
  • Luther Hodges Speech to the NC Legislature 1956 - Why 1965 Matters
  • Video: A Community United - WCPSS 
  • Video: Trailblazer Oral Histories: Joe Holt
  • Video: Trailblazer Oral Histories: Dudley Flood
  • DOING OUR WORK: White People Working to End Racism 
  • Deep Rooted: A Brief History of Race and Education in North Carolina


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Episode 5: Washington School (Pt 1: Origins) 


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The Washington School is now an elementary magnet school within the Wake County Public School System, but the origins of Washington go all the way back to the late 1860s.  The building that stands today was built in 1923 and was Raleigh's first public Black high school, but the school first began as one of North Carolina's earliest schools for African American children and was originally established by Northern, Christian missionaries. It grew to become an important incubator of Black genius and was a cultural and community landmark for Raleigh's African American community.  According to J.W. Yeargin -- one of the community leaders who helped found the Black High School -- Washington was once the only school in America for African American children located on the main street of a state capitol.

This is the first of a two-part series on Washington. Part 1 dives into the origins of the Washington School; how it got started, who it's named for, and the movement to establish Raleigh's first public high school for African Americans in the early decades of the 20th century. Part 2 will examine the legacies of Washington right up to the present day. Join co-hosts Dr. Chaunte Garrett and Michael Parker West as they learn from some brilliant guests to bring these important stories​ to life. 


Special Thanks for contributing to this 2 part series:  
Dr. Chaunte Garrett 
John Baker III
Martine Sainvil 
Joyce Hollyday 
Michelle Lanier 
Sarah Caroline Thuesen 
Tyrone Street 
James Monroe 
Mary Haywood 
Christine Tuttell 
Dan Gridley
Bob Grant 
Jennifer  Ijeoma 
Janet Pride 


Resources & References 
  • Document: Catalogue of the Washington School 1875-76 
  • Document: National Register of Historic Places - Washington School
  • Map: Bird's eye view of the city of Raleigh, North Carolina 1872
  • NCPedia: The American Missionary Association 
  • Document: Historical sketches of the Raleigh Public Schools, 1876-1941-1942 by Barbee, Jennie M
  • Book: On the Heels of Freedom: The American Missionary Association's Bold Campaign to Educate Minds, Open Hearts, and Heal the Soul of a Divided Nation
  • Textbook: A School History of the Negro Race in America, from 1619 to 1890 by E.A. Johnson (former principal of the Washington School)
  • Article: The Life Work of Edward A. Johnson - April 1933 Edition of The Crisis Magazine​
  • Book: Greater than Equal African American Struggles for Schools and Citizenship in North Carolina, 1919-1965
  • Document: Some Facts Pertaining to Washington School by J.W. Yeargin
  • NCPedia: Nathan Carter Newbold
  • Book: The Paradox of Southern Progressivism, 1880-1930 By William A. Link
  • Website: Michelle Lanier Director, N.C. Division of State Historic Sites​

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Episode 4: Jeanes Teachers, Rosenwald Schools, & Community Organizing as Education


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North Carolina has more Rosenwald Schools than any other state but today, Rosenwald Schools are something of an endangered species. Many of them have been destroyed and most that are still standing remain in disrepair. How many of us are standing on top of history that we just don't know? What impact might that have on our teaching and school leadership? Today we dive into the incredible local history around Rosenwald Schools, the Jeanes Teachers, and how community organizing was a central tenet of their overall success. This episode was recorded on location at the St. Matthew Rosenwald School, and I'm joined by Bettie Murchison, co-founder of the North Carolina Rosenwald Schools Coalition, and Pryce Baldwin, a legendary and retired WCPSS educator and former administrator for the Helping Hands Project of Wake County, which seeks to provide African American mentors for African American boys in elementary and middle schools. Mr. Baldwin is also a member of the St. Matthew Baptist Church and was instrumental in saving the building from planned demolition in the early 1990s. Both Bettie and Pryce attended NC Rosenwald Schools in their youth. 
 
 Thank you again to Aviva Kempner and the Ciesla Foundation for your support of this project, and to Ann McColl of the Innovation Project of North Carolina. Hosted by Michael Parker West. 


DONATE to help local Rosenwald Schools 
  • St. Matthew Rosenwald School 
  • Riley Hill Baptist Church

    (if you have more links where people can donate, please reach out via Twitter, @backthroughpod)

Resources & References 
  • Website: History South - History of NC Rosenwald Schools 
  • Website: Rosenwald Schools via the National Trust for Historic Preservation 
  • Survey of NC Rosenwald Schools - NC Department of Natural & Cultural Resources 
  • Magazine Article: Saving a School: Restoration of the Panther Branch Rosenwald School
  • Article: The Rosenwald Schools of NC - via EdNC
  • Rosenwald School Database via Fisk University 
  • Rosenwald Film, directed by Aviva Kempner 
  • Podcast Episode (Revisionist History) MISS BUCHANAN'S PERIOD OF ADJUSTMENT by Malcolm Gladwell
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​Episode 3: Wilmington, Reconstruction, and the Origins of K12 Schools in NC 


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Renowned educator Gloria Ladson Billings who mainstreamed the idea of culturally responsive pedagogy doesn’t talk about the so-called achievement gap. She talks about the education debt. And she’s right to do so. What is owed to the schools and communities that have been historically and deliberately divested and marginalized? I don’t have an answer to that question, but I believe that’s the conversation we need to be having and the work we need to be doing. 
Almost all future episodes of this podcast are going to focus on individual schools and communities, and the unique aspects of their history, place, and context. But before we get there, it’s important we spend some time unpacking the historical foundations of our public schools in North Carolina.

Having a fuller understanding of the foundations of our schools in the past changes how we approach solutions today. It changes the conversations we have, the questions we ask, and the actions we take as a result. This week, we’re going to take a look at the intentional inequities baked into the foundations of North Carolina Public Schools. Where did they come from? How did they start? And most importantly, how do we use our unique identities right now in order to build coalitions that seek to see, understand, and interrupt business as usual.
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This episode features guests David Zucchino, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of the book Wilmington's Lie, Ann McColl President and co-founder of the Innovation Project of North Carolina, and Courtney Parker West, a leadership development coach, racial equity trainer, and community organizer. She’s also my wife and partner. I hope you’ll join me as we continue this journey of learning and unlearning. Hosted by Michael Parker West. 

Resources & References 
  • PDF: Racial Equity Institute's "Groundwater Approach" Report 
  • Article: Deep Rooted: A Brief History of Race and Education in North Carolina by James E. Ford and Ethan Roy (EdNC)
  • Article: John Chavis biography from NCPedia
  • Article Series: History of Public Education in NC from NCPedia
  • Book: Wilmington's Lie, by David Zucchino 
  • Article: Constitutional Convention, 1868: "Black Caucus" from NCPedia
  • Video: Abraham Galloway: An American Story from the NC Museum of History 
  • Article: Moving Past Intentional Inequities in Education by Ann McColl (EdNC) 
  • Article: The Missing Picture by Ann McColl (EdNC
  • TV Series: Reconstruction - America After the Civil War (PBS) 
  • News Story: Wake County Schools votes unanimously to rename Daniels Middle School, which was named for known white supremacist (ABC11)
  • VIdeo: Oberlin: A Village Rooted in Freedom (UNC-TV PBS)
  • Documentary Film: Wilmington on Fire, directed by Christopher Everett
  • Article: Biographical Summary of James Yadkin Joyner (1862-1954) by By Jonathan D. Sarris Associate Professor of History North Carolina Wesleyan College
  • Article: Historical background of Confederate monuments removed from State Capitol grounds from WRAL
  • Article: Confederate Statues Were Built To Further A 'White Supremacist Future' by Miles Parks, NPR ​



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​Episode 2: Power and Pushback


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Determining what our kids learn in schools can be a hotly contested and controversial process, and politics almost always have a way of influencing the outcome. This week, we'll dive into student perspectives on creating more relevant, socially conscious, and community-responsive curriculum in North Carolina, and what forces currently stand in the way. Middle Creek High School Students enrolled in "Hard History & Civic Engagement" pilot course join our conversation, along with their teacher Mr. Matthew Scialdone. We'll also hear from Angie Scioli of Leesville Road High School and co-founder of Red4EdNC to talk about a special report that Red4EdNC recently released on the revised Social Studies standards in NC K12 education. Join me as I learn how we can better actualize the learning and liberation that our students and families deserve. Hosted by Michael Parker West. 

Resources & References 
  • Book: Teaching What Really Happened - How to Avoid the Tyranny of Textbooks and Get Students Excited About Doing History, by James W. Loewen
    • Selected Chapters from Teaching What Really Happened available online 
  • Video: ​Jericka Duncan - Map in widely used U.S. history textbook refers to enslaved Africans as "immigrants," CBS News analysis finds​
  • Article: Should NC 3rd-graders learn why Confederate monuments are ‘valued by a community’? (Fayetteville Observer)
  • Report: Red4EdNC Special Report ​on Draft 2 ​of the Revised K-12 Social Studies Standards
  • Blog Post: A monumental question: What forces are shaping North Carolina’s K-12 social studies standards revisions?
  • Article: A black man was lynched near Rolesville in 1918. Now Wake students are honoring him (News & Observer)​
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​Episode 1: Grounding in Place & Purpose


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What does it mean to be 
community responsive and why does it matter for educators and school leaders? In this episode we'll ground this project in place and purpose. Join host Michael Parker West on a journey of learning and unlearning what it means to be effective students of our students and their families. Special thanks to our guests on this episode: Steven Gupton of Louisburg High School and John Biewen, host of the podcast series Scene on Radio from the Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University, with contributions from Dr. Jeff Duncan-Andrade professor of Raza Studies at San Fransisco State University and founder of the Roses in Concrete Community School in Oakland, California. Music by Joseph McDade and Blue Dot Sessions.

Resources & References 
  • Website: Community Responsive Education 
  • Website: Scene on Radio podcast series 
  • Website: Roses in Concrete Community School ​
  • Song: "Wade in The Water" song meaning and history 
  • ​Article: Stay hopeful and do ‘uncomfortable things,’ advises justice advocate Bryan Stevenson 
  • Article: "It’s pretty much non-existent’ — Franklin County teacher and EMT describes rural challenges with broadband
  • Video: History of WCPSS 
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